Evolution vs Creationism

[Shadow00]

i have an article for you all to read. Actual science DISPROVES evolution.

http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/

read on my dear fiends, and weep on your poor crushed theory.

the only way i could logically explain evolution at this point was that it WASNT natural. that AN INTELLIGENT BEING had an effect on it. i just happen to believe that being is god. that belief i will not force unto others, but to say that evolution happened completely naturally is preposterous.

To deny the Second Law of Thermodynamics is ludacris, gentelmen. and who better to defy the laws of physics than god?

and also may i point out that it is my opinion that god gave the knowledge to the men who wrote the bible of EXACTLY what he did and how he did it, but for them to spread their message they had to word it in a way that would allow for their idea to be understood and accepted. thus the torah, and then, the bible. if you can beat this then i will bake you a cookie.

Yes. Also god gave people the knowledge to burn anyone with a revolutionary idea during the medieval ages. Our world would be 1000 years more ahead if it werent for these guys. Or is it coincidential that while religion was #1 power ALL scientific evolution stopped? (except of liquid fire, about the greatest scientific discovery. But noooo, they were all wizards/witches huh? Also, god gave people the knowledge to destroy almost all works of art created before 100 bc.
And if god didnt give these people the knowledge, maybe he didnt with those who wrote the bible either. Maybe they were better at politics though...

[mmm]

Yes. Also god gave people the knowledge to burn anyone with a revolutionary idea during the medieval ages. Our world would be 1000 years more ahead if it werent for these guys. Or is it coincidential that while religion was #1 power ALL scientific evolution stopped? (except of liquid fire, about the greatest scientific discovery. But noooo, they were all wizards/witches huh? Also, god gave people the knowledge to destroy almost all works of art created before 100 bc.
And if god didnt give these people the knowledge, maybe he didnt with those who wrote the bible either. Maybe they were better at politics though...

Religion is just one of many aspects of society that play a role in our belief system (like culture and government). What you do with your belief is a personal matter, and should only reflect on you as an individual rather than the belief system as a whole. Also, what we interpret beliefs to mean varies from person to person. Therefore, we cannot blame or credit a single component of a manifold belief system for man's actions.

To link this paragraph to the actual topic, I believe in evolution or intelligent design, whatever you want to call it. I derived this belief from a mixture of religion and societal (in the form of school) influences. However, not all of those who are of the same religion as I am or attend the same school believe in evolution, nor do all of them believe in creationism. Neither "side" of this argument can ever be "right," for the truthfulness of this debate rests in the individual.

[Karamix3]

hito doesn't a secretary right what the boss says to, so then whose words are they really?

[Shadow00]

hito doesn't a secretary right what the boss says to, so then whose words are they really?

And where does the boss get the idea? Maybe your secretaries were in fact the bosses...


This is going nowhere. For example, my belief that religion was a nice-sounding lie which allowed you (and still does) to control the masses, force a law system, and give people hope about life after death... After all, if scientists told you tomorrow that after death, your brain just stops thinking, you dont feel time, pain, anything, but on the other hand religions (most of them) tell you that (supposing you follow them rules/laws) you go to a nice place (where everyone has their own villa ), which would you prefer believe?

[Karamix3]

This is going nowhere and is going to go nowhere. You can discuss something so weighty online. I've tried it before.

[prophet]

hito doesn't a secretary right what the boss says to, so then whose words are they really?

And where does the boss get the idea? Maybe your secretaries were in fact the bosses...


This is going nowhere. For example, my belief that religion was a nice-sounding lie which allowed you (and still does) to control the masses, force a law system, and give people hope about life after death... After all, if scientists told you tomorrow that after death, your brain just stops thinking, you dont feel time, pain, anything, but on the other hand religions (most of them) tell you that (supposing you follow them rules/laws) you go to a nice place (where everyone has their own villa ), which would you prefer believe?

I prefer to believe that we are here because god put us here and that yes, there is a god, and it doesn't make me stupid or a religious quack. smugly dismissing religion as a "nice sounding lie" does not make you sound intelligent, it makes you sound like every other cynical, arrogant atheist with an unwarranted sense of insight I have ever met. denouncing creationism with a list of scientific facts DOES NOT make you cutting edge or smarter than someone who believes in creationism. If it seems like I am picking on atheists, you're completely right. As a christian, I am so tired of atheists having absolutely no problem disrespecting every aspect of what I choose to believe, it makes me uncomfortable, and a little angry. So what if I choose to believe in god? it doesn't make me ignorant and science still to this day does not disprove creationism. I may not be that smart, but Albert Einstein believed in a higher power, and he's pretty smart from what I understand.

Thats from my cousin Elizabeth.

[Shadow00]

Anyways, in some years itll all be proven. After all, half the bible has already been disproven...
Everyone wants to believe in god, obviously because the alternative of not having an afterlife scares the hell out of them (no irony intended).
Einstein though, did not believe in "God", but he did believe in some other higher power.
Ofcourse, if a person is happier by believing in that, then ok, no problem with me. But I do have a problem when 1) these people try to prove god exists via science and 2) when they become extremists.
Also, pro, please explain to your cousin that atheists exist even before Jesus being born. They didnt believe in the 12 Gods of Olympus... Oh i forgot, we call them prophets now…
And I again state that religions in the 600s-1600s+ took the world steps backwards. For example, was anyone aware that america was first discovered in 2400 BC, where people from the mediterranean extracted gold (i believe) from it and brought it back to their countries...? By that rate, in colombus' era we should have set foot on the moon at least...

[mmm]

And I again state that religions in the 600s-1600s+ took the world steps backwards. For example, was anyone aware that america was first discovered in 2400 BC, where people from the mediterranean extracted gold (i believe) from it and brought it back to their countries...? By that rate, in colombus' era we should have set foot on the moon at least...

You haven't provided any evidence, nor is there any to provide, that supports your allegation that Christianity prevented globalization and...space travel? As I've stated before, religions such as Christianity or Judaism have contributed money and time without pay to bring food, shelter, clean water, and a hope of something wonderful, all of which saved countless lives. It's unfair of you to continue to criticize Christianity of acts hundreds of years past while ignoring their modern acts of kindness. It's also spiteful that you continue to strive to tear apart every dogma of a religion that teaches tolerance and good works simply because you do not believe in it.

Christianity will never be disproven; it's existed 2000 years of debate and criticism and will continue to exist.

Everyone wants to believe in god, obviously because the alternative of not having an afterlife scares the hell out of them (no irony intended).

Maybe the vast majority of humanity believes in a higher power because there is one. Regardless, whether or not there is a higher power, religious groups such as Christianity are prevailing good institutions that don't deserve to be criticized based on actions hundreds of years past or their motivations for their current actions, but instead judged on the actions themselves.

[Shadowstar1922]

And I again state that religions in the 600s-1600s+ took the world steps backwards. For example, was anyone aware that america was first discovered in 2400 BC, where people from the mediterranean extracted gold (i believe) from it and brought it back to their countries...? By that rate, in colombus' era we should have set foot on the moon at least...

That is very true. Never thought about it until now. I'ma talk about it to my History and Science teacher today.

[Shadow00]

It's unfair of you to continue to criticize Christianity of acts hundreds of years past

So lets pretend they never occured, huh?

while ignoring their modern acts of kindness.

Vatican city. No further comments.

It's also spiteful that you continue to strive to tear apart every dogma of a religion that teaches tolerance and good works simply because you do not believe in it.

I critisize misogynism found in the bible, African slave trade done almost entirely by christians, the Bible's stealing at least half of its sayings from ancient religions. Not the words that teach tolerance and good works, which in fact apply in almost every religion.

Christianity will never be disproven; it's existed 2000 years of debate and criticism and will continue to exist.

And through those 2000 years, large parts of it were disproven. Now, the creation of the universe is being "investigated", we know that man wasnt made by sand/soil, we know how land formed as well as how the seas formed. We know how different breeds of animals formed. And ofcourse, we know that there is no hell inside the earth.

Oh, one last thing. Tell me how many Christians worldwide actually follow the bible and how many of them show complete tolerance and no bad doings.