a topic we should discuss

[Boxorino]

" One would assume that scientists, who are trained to think objectively, are completely immune to gender discrimination. However, a recent Yale study by Corinne Moss-Racusin and colleagues suggests otherwise.

The researchers created a fictional student and sent out the student’s application to science professors at top, research-intensive universities in the United States. The professors were asked to evaluate how competent this student was, how likely they would be to hire the student, how much they would pay this student, and how willing they would be to mentor the student. All of the applications sent out were identical, except for the fact that half were for a male applicant, John, and half were for a female applicant, Jennifer. Results showed that, with statistical significance, both male and female faculty at these institutions were biased towards male students over female students.

Data from the study shows that on average, science faculty was willing to pay the male applicant about $4,000 more per year. "

Source.

Who did they ask? Who was involved in the experiment? There could be all the bias there depending on who the experiment was done on.

I think it says the schools in the article. Also the people who sent in applications weren't real people, they were fictional people who both had the same credentials. The only difference is that one was male and one was female.

I mean who got the applications
can we see the applications, what the applications say
there's not enough to this for me to accept it

Tbqh, I wish the article had more evidence as well. Maybe I can find another article about it to back this up.

[Foopzheart]

" One would assume that scientists, who are trained to think objectively, are completely immune to gender discrimination. However, a recent Yale study by Corinne Moss-Racusin and colleagues suggests otherwise.

The researchers created a fictional student and sent out the student’s application to science professors at top, research-intensive universities in the United States. The professors were asked to evaluate how competent this student was, how likely they would be to hire the student, how much they would pay this student, and how willing they would be to mentor the student. All of the applications sent out were identical, except for the fact that half were for a male applicant, John, and half were for a female applicant, Jennifer. Results showed that, with statistical significance, both male and female faculty at these institutions were biased towards male students over female students.

Data from the study shows that on average, science faculty was willing to pay the male applicant about $4,000 more per year. "

Source.

Who did they ask? Who was involved in the experiment? There could be all the bias there depending on who the experiment was done on.

I think it says the schools in the article. Also the people who sent in applications weren't real people, they were fictional people who both had the same credentials. The only difference is that one was male and one was female.

I mean who got the applications
can we see the applications, what the applications say
there's not enough to this for me to accept it

Tbqh, I wish the article had more evidence as well. Maybe I can find another article about it to back this up.

Please do. They could've just interviewed really old-timey racist/sexist professors or something

[Boxorino]

i don't know where else to post this

[Shadowstar1922]

i don't know where else to post this

Okay, I have several musings. This guy wants his actions not to be labelled as feminine-so he wants gender neutrality? Gender neutrality is in my opinion, a different, extremely complicated and messy topic-and I mean incredibly messy. It seems that he's attacking men's attitudes towards men and women. Not only men have that attitude towards genders. Men didn't make gender attitudes, men AND women did historically-society as a whole had that ideology. Girls get attacked by girls for having masculine traits too-it's not specifically a male issue.

Also, Tumblr is an absolutely awful source.

So what you're basically saying is that gender neutrality is so messy you won't go into it, and that men and women both have contributed to social standards, though you didn't go into that either. And now you say Tumblr is a horrible source while not being able to at least represent any arguments against what the Tumblr post has said.

Seems legit.

[Leprechaun Lukia]

i don't know where else to post this

Okay, I have several musings. This guy wants his actions not to be labelled as feminine-so he wants gender neutrality? Gender neutrality is in my opinion, a different, extremely complicated and messy topic-and I mean incredibly messy. It seems that he's attacking men's attitudes towards men and women. Not only men have that attitude towards genders. Men didn't make gender attitudes, men AND women did historically-society as a whole had that ideology. Girls get attacked by girls for having masculine traits too-it's not specifically a male issue.

Also, Tumblr is an absolutely awful source.

So what you're basically saying is that gender neutrality is so messy you won't go into it, and that men and women both have contributed to social standards, though you didn't go into that either. And now you say Tumblr is a horrible source while not being able to at least represent any arguments against what the Tumblr post has said.

Seems legit.

She probably has the bias that tumblr is just random shit posted on a website

[Tycoon]

i don't know where else to post this

Okay, I have several musings. This guy wants his actions not to be labelled as feminine-so he wants gender neutrality? Gender neutrality is in my opinion, a different, extremely complicated and messy topic-and I mean incredibly messy. It seems that he's attacking men's attitudes towards men and women. Not only men have that attitude towards genders. Men didn't make gender attitudes, men AND women did historically-society as a whole had that ideology. Girls get attacked by girls for having masculine traits too-it's not specifically a male issue.

Also, Tumblr is an absolutely awful source.

a girl goes out in her boyfriend's top "wow, cool"
a boy goes out in his girlfriend's top "ugh, fag"

[Flobalob]

a girl goes out in her boyfriend's top "wow, cool"
a boy goes out in his girlfriend's top "ugh, fag"

That's just because there aren't many male specific items of clothing. Most things that men wear are unisex, they can be worn by either gender.

[Tycoon]

This topic is about feminism.

Let's discuss rape culture.

The two are extremely linked, here are features of rape culture:

-Boys being congratulated for rape
-Boys being congratulated for being raped
-Girls being told they asked for it
-Girls being told it was inevitable, what they were wearing asked for it

[Shadowstar1922]

i don't know where else to post this

Okay, I have several musings. This guy wants his actions not to be labelled as feminine-so he wants gender neutrality? Gender neutrality is in my opinion, a different, extremely complicated and messy topic-and I mean incredibly messy. It seems that he's attacking men's attitudes towards men and women. Not only men have that attitude towards genders. Men didn't make gender attitudes, men AND women did historically-society as a whole had that ideology. Girls get attacked by girls for having masculine traits too-it's not specifically a male issue.

Also, Tumblr is an absolutely awful source.

So what you're basically saying is that gender neutrality is so messy you won't go into it, and that men and women both have contributed to social standards, though you didn't go into that either. And now you say Tumblr is a horrible source while not being able to at least represent any arguments against what the Tumblr post has said.

Seems legit.

No, I'm saying it's a different issue. This topic is about feminism-the two have a very subtle difference.
In my opinion its not so much of gender neutrality its just, the Tumblr rant posted was simply fighting against how negative people react when a man acts like a woman, or does femine things. It's not so much of gender neutrality more of, "oh hey i want to do that but wait i can't people will hate me with no logical reason."
I didn't think I had to explain that both men and women contributed to social standards since I thought it was common knowledge. It's information I've gathered reading historical literature and documentation but I can't cite everything right now.
Don't cite it, paraphrase it. If I find it really hard to believe then I would ask you for the books or articles but I'd still do my own research into it.
Although I remember a prime example of Mrs Birling from An Inspector Calls criticising Eva Smith based on gender specific role ideology. Gender Neutrality is an issue that is very messy but since it's not the topic at hand and will very likely result in people arguing in an ugly manner-no, it's not something I want to discuss on here.

I have seen endless rants on Tumblr of people criticising and ripping apart other people just because they believe in something they don't.

Those rants don't represent everyone on Tumblr. I mean, to destroy the credibility of someone's rant, all you gotta do is debunk it logically and possibly with facts. There are a lot of rants like the one Boxy posted that have good points that you can possible argue, but just because someone on Tumblr says stupid shit doesn't mean everyone else on Tumblr says stupid shit. You shouldn't criticize or discriminate on the origin of a piece of writing or ideology. Simple read it an evaluate it. If it doesn't make sense, destroy the fuck out of it.

So many people on there campaign for equal rights for people-and that's a good thing, but they attack the shit out of people who don't agree with all their opinions.
Then those people are not examples of equal rights for people. If someone claims to be a feminist, but gives misandrist comments like, "oh all men are mindless sex dogs and are tumors grown around a penis" then they're not a feminist and you cannot use them as an example of feminism because they aren't expressing feminist ideas at all. If Mit Romney said something homophobic, do you think it'd make sense for me to say, "oh for fucks sakes, can the liberals get any more homophobic??? I mean looK AT WHAT ROMNEY SAID ITS SO MEAN AUGH WHY ARE LIBERALS SO FULL OF HATE!!11!!1!!!1" I'd look really stupid, wouldn't I? That's exactly how people who look at misandists and attempt to say they're feminists. It doesn't work out. It's wrong. You look like a fool.
If someone merely says that they don't agree with homosexuality, they are ripped apart with hate and called homophobic and small minded and hateful-where's the freedom of opinion with that?
All freedoms are limited. You can have an opinion yes, but if you say stupid stuff then people will hate you and attack you for your ideas. leftists and pro-gay people have practically destroyed and debunked every right wing and anti-gay argument that has been presented. With this being said, some people get angry when people are still homophobic. It's not a matter of principle or concept or ideology anymore, it's a matter of being a decent human being.
That comment wasn't harmful to any people, it was merely a statement. It's like someone saying they don't agree with Christianity-doesn't mean they hate Christians and want to kill them.
Yes it is? If you say something that is homphobic, you're insulting gay people and queer people in general. If I said I think all black people are in gangs or doing drugs and are the reason of crime in America, you're sure as hell that every African American or other people of color will attack me for saying that. Why? Because I'm not being a decent human being. I'm being mean. Just because you have a opinion and have been given the right to say those opinions, doesn't mean you're not being offensive anymore and it doesn't guarantee you the protection of someone verbally attacking you. Don't say stupid shit.
Freedom of opinion is nonexistent these days because of idiots like this who trample down anyone who has the guts to voice their views and frankly, it disgusts me.
Again, don't say stupid things. A lot of the times when someone verbally attacks another person for what they said, it's because what that person said was something insensitive, illogical, or hurtful. Other times its because the insensitive people retaliate and end up looking like fools.
Tumblr may be a very good place for creativity and comedy, but in terms of these kinds of issues, I have lost respect.
Again, these people that attack others make up a very small portion of active users. They do not represent everyone on Tumblr. I'd be a complete idiot if I went up to Ex or Lamb and claimed they were fascist assholes like some extreme Tea Party members. Well, they are in the Republican Party, no? They do say a lot of mean and hurtful and illogical stuff, right? So that must mean that every Republican views that way, so that means they all suck!!!11111!!!1 No it doesn't. Minorities don't represent a group.
I'm not saying that all people on Tumblr do this, but an alarming majority do.
No they don't. Unless you can provide statistics, graphs, and research to suggest that a around 120 million people openly do that and are as insensitive and ignorant as you paint them to be.
I didn't say what the person in question said was completely wrong, I'm merely highlighting the bigger picture and offering a differing opinion.

[Shadowstar1922]

a girl goes out in her boyfriend's top "wow, cool"
a boy goes out in his girlfriend's top "ugh, fag"

That's just because there aren't many male specific items of clothing. Most things that men wear are unisex, they can be worn by either gender.

If most things that men wear are unisex then women shouldn't really face any hate or ignorance or rude comments when they dress like guys. But wait a minute, that does happen!