Evolution vs Creationism

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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby mmm » 05 Jul 2012, 18:27

danny wrote: Agree to disagree and move on.
mmm wrote:I don't see any argument supporting that last assertion. You two realize there will never be a way to "win" what has become an argument, right?

mmm wrote:...Neither "side" of this argument can ever be "right," for the truthfulness of this debate rests in the individual.

mmm wrote:I will agree though with a slight variation of what you've been saying about extremism: extreme beliefs hinder the advancement of mankind, whether they be religious, political, moral, or otherwise.
I came to the same conclusion here, Danny, though I disagree with your example.

I can confidently say neither shadow nor myself were throwing hateful speech toward one another, at least not with hateful intent. We are both aware of each others maturity (and friendship), so we conversed without filters that may have otherwise hindered our arguments.
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby Shadow00 » 05 Jul 2012, 22:33

As i agree on that too, ill post something from a "third person" view.
Obviously, science and religion cannot coexist today. Science is way ahead at the moment, and religion will obviously "fight back" to regain the first place.
As long as this goes on, such arguements will go on and on and on.
At least lets hope recent discoveries (higgs boson) solve this.
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby meiguorach » 14 Aug 2012, 03:12

I'm a born-again Christian and trust in what the Bible says. The Bible says that "In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep." Genesis 1 and 2 lays out the creation story very clearly. The earth was created in six days, and on the seventh day, God rested. Many Christians believe that each day might have stood for a longer period of time. However, the Bible clearly shows it they were six 24-hour days. Chapter 1 verse 5 says, "...And there was evening and there was morning, the first day." Verse 8: "...And there was evening and there was morning, the second day." Verse 13: "And there was evening and there was morning, the third day." Verse 19: "And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day." Verse 23: "And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day." Verse 31: "...And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." By saying that there was evening and morning, God's making it clear that He is talking about 24-hour days.

So many people I've met and heard are always saying that science and religion (though... Christianity is a relationship, not a religion. But that's another topic for another time. ;) ) have nothing to do with the other. Christians, included. But I have something to say. God created science. You can look around and see Him. Most people will look and be blinded, or will willfully not believe. But I can see Him. Think of the Grand Canyon in the USA. Do you really think that just happened by chance? Look at the way the human body is constructed, down to the very smallest of details. How could there not have been a great Designer?

Think of a coke can. Or rather, think of the absence of a coke can. One day, lots of little cells that didn't exist collided with each other and there was a big bang. Suddenly, there was a coke can! ...no. ;) There was a Designer for that coke can. It didn't just happen.

Same thing with nature, the members of which are far more complex than a coke can. It does not make any sense to say that something came out of nothing when nothing collided with nothing.

On another note, someone mentioned that parts of the Bible contradict each other? Mind telling me which part? 'Cause I don't recall ever seeing contradictions within its pages. As for changes made to the Bible... There have never been parts take out of it, or added to it. History books and science books are changing all the time though, and you still trust them, so even if the Bible had changed over the years, that little argument doesn't really work here.

Somebody also mentioned something about Christianity dying out? I've got news for you, hehehe... Not going to happen. :)

I know that most people who read this post will disagree with me. Might even hate me for it, though I sincerely hope not. But who knows. Maybe this will shed some light on some things for someone.
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby mmm » 14 Aug 2012, 06:06

Shadow00 wrote:As i agree on that too, ill post something from a "third person" view.
Obviously, science and religion cannot coexist today. Science is way ahead at the moment, and religion will obviously "fight back" to regain the first place.
As long as this goes on, such arguements will go on and on and on.
At least lets hope recent discoveries (higgs boson) solve this.
Thats about it.

Whoah, when did you post this?

Science and religion have coexisted since humanity has been around. Sure, they haven't always been the best of pals, but the relationships have been improving (Mendel, the father of genetics, was a monk. In fact, many monks pursued scientific research in addition to their religious life). And again, nothing will ever solve this debate. You can't simply disprove the existence of God. Also again, science and religion are not adversaries. Some people just like to play it that way.
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby Dr Frook » 14 Aug 2012, 06:16

you forgot the most important. Programism. We are all code in a mega huge enormous computer program. We do not exist, except on some super intelligent beings computer screen. We are only strings and pixels, and all thought, all reality, all everything, does not exist.

ok I made up the word. But I like it.
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby Hitokiri » 14 Aug 2012, 08:50

What is the Matrix?
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby Lamb » 15 Aug 2012, 19:50

Hitokiri wrote:What is the Matrix?

If you see the movie you'll understand...but if you dont have time like me,ill tell you what my teacher told me.
A computer program with an AI Found out that it was a computer and that if it was unplugged it would stop working,so it figured out that it can use humans as Eternal Batteries(the impulses we make to move and process data similar to electricity).
So it starts to capture people and plugs them up so they are connected directly to the computer.The people are unaware of what is happening because they are in a "Dream world" Created by the computer to stay "alive".
The Matrix is basically this system of the computer trying to survive as i understand it.

Ps. I dont know if you were being sarcastic...
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby danny » 28 Aug 2012, 07:15

Hitokiri wrote:What is the Matrix?



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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby 123 » 28 Aug 2012, 15:39

Just because evolution has been proven doesnt know mean creationism has been disproven ;)
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism

Postby Shadow00 » 28 Aug 2012, 19:43

I'll put it this way. What is creationism?
Use your own words. But dont fish it off the net, use your knowledge that you used to answer to this topic :)


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