Nuclear War

[Toady]

Well since the United States can't mind their own business for their life since we are the "Super Power" of the world (Which has changed slightly). It would be kind of impossible for us to not take advantage of other countries and their "wanting" of helps in wars. So it could be possible that we CAN have a nuclear war but, keep in mind, we have nuclear treaties with any country that has nuclear missles until about 2023-2024 but, no one said that it can't be broken in a day :/.

[ghost 9]

United States - 10000
Soviet Union - 15000
France - 1000
Great Britain - 700
China - 50

Other Coutries:
Israel - 100 - 200
India - 100
China - 50
Pakistan - 20
North Korea - 0 - 2 *note this is before the last couple months where North Korea says they are making some.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5403

As you can see, the US has allot more nukes than any other known country. Also, note the soviet union broke apart and so the nukes were split among them. I don't really want to track them down it get the exact fact and figures.. If the US gets involved in nuclear war, there will be massive carnage. It would be pretty catastrophic. So lets just hope it doesn't happen.

[mmm]

The U.S left Iraq of their own accord; Bush set the withdrawal date some time ago. Some of the Iraqi government wanted the U.S military to stay, in fact. The Iraq war may now be seen as a fiasco (because hindsight is 20/20 and we're lamenting over the money we lost [Fun fact: Obama's stimulus package cost much more]), but we displaced a genocidal maniac who raped and pillaged Kuwait.

While the U.S government is in massive debt, we still have one of the largest (and best funded) military's in the world. While we may have to make major cutbacks, another war is certainly within our abilities, especially considering how Iran is not a major military power.

You know how we discovered that Russia was transporting nuclear weapons to Cuba? Spy planes. How would we know Iran has ballistic missile launch sites without spy planes? We can spy on Iran all we want when they vow to destroy our country, most of Europe, and Israel. The Iranian bureaucracy and theocracy is primarily composed of dangerous, untrustworthy religious fanatics who wouldn't hesitate to wipe out millions of people. Are they going to admit that they're developing nuclear plants for wiping out the Israeli people? Of course not. They're going to lie and say it's for providing clean energy to the people who don't have the infrastructure or money to support a regional power system, let alone a national one.

The one thing I agree with Shadowstar about is leaving countries alone. While there may be some violations of human rights, starting a war will cause immediate deaths, and the country will plunge into turmoil immediately afterwards. This is not to say we should ignore genocides etc. But getting involved in power struggles is bad business and accomplishes little.

[Shadowstar1922]

United States - 10000
Soviet Union - 15000
France - 1000
Great Britain - 700
China - 50

Other Coutries:
Israel - 100 - 200
India - 100
China - 50
Pakistan - 20
North Korea - 0 - 2 *note this is before the last couple months where North Korea says they are making some.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5403


As you can see, the US has allot more nukes than any other known country. Also, note the soviet union broke apart and so the nukes were split among them. I don't really want to track them down it get the exact fact and figures.. If the US gets involved in nuclear war, there will be massive carnage. It would be pretty catastrophic. So lets just hope it doesn't happen.

Why the hell do people have so many nukes, when it only takes roughly 28-30? Is that the number? Anyways, around there to destroy the world. They're a waste of money. Well all know nukes can destroy the world, so why have them?

[Connor]

Shadow, it's because of the Cold War. The United States and the Soviet Union were having an arms race to see who could have the best weapons and who could have the most of them.

[mmm]

I don't know why we made so many, but mutually assured destruction is the reason for having nukes in the first place. Their capability to destroy the world is exactly what keeps sane leaders with nuclear weapons from launching a nuclear attack. Surely, the nation under attack and its allies would retaliate with their nukes, and the allies of the first country would retaliate with their nukes etc.

M.A.D doesn't concern madmen and fanatics, however.

[Shadow00]

A little note:
If a war will take place,nuclear disaster will not take place.
First of all,nukes were invented in mid-1940s-50s.....
There sure are way more destructive weapons out there,developed in the last 50 years...
Second of all,war is mainly in diplomacy/politics now.
Third of all. NOBODY is stupid enough to launch a full-scale disastrous war that will whipe out all of us.

[danny]

You know how we discovered that Russia was transporting nuclear weapons to Cuba? Spy planes. How would we know Iran has ballistic missile launch sites without spy planes? We can spy on Iran all we want when they vow to destroy our country, most of Europe, and Israel. The Iranian bureaucracy and theocracy is primarily composed of dangerous, untrustworthy religious fanatics who wouldn't hesitate to wipe out millions of people. Are they going to admit that they're developing nuclear plants for wiping out the Israeli people? Of course not. They're going to lie and say it's for providing clean energy to the people who don't have the infrastructure or money to support a regional power system, let alone a national one.

Quick tip, the us CAN spy on whoever it wants WITHOUT spyplanes.

nother tip the watching of cuba has to do with the MONROE doctrine that keeps all european and asian powers out of the "new world". we have no right to go flying around in iranian air space and personally i don't believe we should be going after ideas and possibilities as facts. we have the capability to look at the levels of radiation in their so called reactors from SATELLITES. call it what you want but really we dont need anything over iran. i know i've come across as a conservative firebreather on this site before, i just dont agree with the bashing of people who dont deserve it for unproven facts. anywhoooo, Irans nuclear program can be monitored from space. what are they gonna do? shoot down our satellites? pfft. get real. what america should be focused on is securing ourselves at home not abroad. we need to stop shoving our hands into everyone elses cake. i even dare say that the US cut its UN support at least in half if not even more. im tired of other countries and my own instigating wars over petty things. Bush 1 should have finished the job the first time around in iraq and we never should have gone to the middle east again. end of story.

[mmm]

You know how we discovered that Russia was transporting nuclear weapons to Cuba? Spy planes. How would we know Iran has ballistic missile launch sites without spy planes? We can spy on Iran all we want when they vow to destroy our country, most of Europe, and Israel. The Iranian bureaucracy and theocracy is primarily composed of dangerous, untrustworthy religious fanatics who wouldn't hesitate to wipe out millions of people. Are they going to admit that they're developing nuclear plants for wiping out the Israeli people? Of course not. They're going to lie and say it's for providing clean energy to the people who don't have the infrastructure or money to support a regional power system, let alone a national one.

Quick tip, the us CAN spy on whoever it wants WITHOUT spyplanes.

nother tip the watching of cuba has to do with the MONROE doctrine that keeps all european and asian powers out of the "new world". we have no right to go flying around in iranian air space and personally i don't believe we should be going after ideas and possibilities as facts. we have the capability to look at the levels of radiation in their so called reactors from SATELLITES. call it what you want but really we dont need anything over iran. i know i've come across as a conservative firebreather on this site before, i just dont agree with the bashing of people who dont deserve it for unproven facts. anywhoooo, Irans nuclear program can be monitored from space. what are they gonna do? shoot down our satellites? pfft. get real. what america should be focused on is securing ourselves at home not abroad. we need to stop shoving our hands into everyone elses cake. i even dare say that the US cut its UN support at least in half if not even more. im tired of other countries and my own instigating wars over petty things. Bush 1 should have finished the job the first time around in iraq and we never should have gone to the middle east again. end of story.

My bad for not understanding how the U.S monitors other countries. I was just replying to a post in which Shadowstar used spy planes as an example.

I'm not exactly sure what the Monroe Doctrine has to do with our reasons for spying on Cuba. I was under the impression that we were suspicious of Cuba's relationship with the U.S.S.R, and therefore sent spy planes to investigate.

If we can monitor the construction of Iran's nuclear power plants from space rather than through planes, I'm all for it; Less risk and less negative impact on relations.

I agree with you that the U.S's role as the policeman of the world is unnecessary and obtrusive. Keeping an eye on nations that vow to destroy us via satellite should remain, but looking for trouble in nations that haven't showed us any form of hostility should be stopped. There's always going to be unrest, and sometimes we need to just sit back and let it burn itself out. Allying ourselves with one faction or another that will be overthrown within a decade gets us nowhere except to a place of death and hatred.

As for the U.N, it'd be interesting and enlightening to see the numbers on how much the U.S contributes in terms of money, troops, and equipment.

[danny]

i have seen them its not pretty. we make up literally 25% of the un's armed forces. and what funny is countries hold places on commitee's that hvae no busicness being on them. but again not gonna get into the things that make me go beserk. i also recently learned that NO form of reconnaissance the united states posesses to my knowledge can watch the enrichment facilities themselves (unless my father misunderstood underground for literal when they meant figuratively) through ground. and in reality sending in drones to iranian airspace is only antagonistic.

Now if iran does get a nuke, and fires it, ANYWHERE in the world, the entirety of NATO's nuclear arsenal will open up on the middle east, or at least aim at it while ground forces completely obliterate any resistance. any country stupid enough to use a nuke would really suffer the same fate. unless of ccourse the UN decided to say no, in which case the United States Armed forces you ignore the UN and do what we were meant to do. kill the crazy leaders of iran, and hand the government over to the people who are heavily pro american. boom done thats my prediction. if the Nuking of the middle east happens by the way, there will be a new war over energy and russia will again become rich off of europe and china because of russia's MASSIVE oil and natural gas reserves that have been largely untapped due to lack of capital. this will in turn probably reinstate the old cold war rivalry and put the world on edge of World War 3. just my thoughts, based on some tom clancy ideas (tom clancy being the author and his books), some of my own research into history, the studying i've done on american politics and military policies and the incomplete research of iran's nuclear program and government. there will be flaws in my information i know that. im never 100% right but i get my point across. any corrections to my information would be lovely.